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both laws are flawed in my view. i want your feedback because we all know that 80% of our medical issues are tied to personal behavior to if i'm a smoker, if i drink, my recovery rates or readmission rates are higher for somebody whoa gets up and drinks a green tea and eats oatmeal. there's a difference. hospitals and providers, if i was a provider, and i knew i was going to be penalized, i would profile to see what your lifestyle is like. if it didn't suit healthy lifestyles, i only want to treat the healthy people. >> host: thank you, john, does that come into play in the massachusetts law? >> guest: well, not really. i mean, the -- one of the concerns was that insurers or health care providers could pick and choose their patients, and that's why they said everybody has to have insurance so everybody has access to care. it won't work if we can pick and choose. that's the basis of the individual mandate. just a couple of notes on what john was saying. about personal behavior, yesterday i did an article for "the bost
both laws are flawed in my view. i want your feedback because we all know that 80% of our medical issues are tied to personal behavior to if i'm a smoker, if i drink, my recovery rates or readmission rates are higher for somebody whoa gets up and drinks a green tea and eats oatmeal. there's a difference. hospitals and providers, if i was a provider, and i knew i was going to be penalized, i would profile to see what your lifestyle is like. if it didn't suit healthy lifestyles, i only want to...
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. >>> a guy on the tracks, armed with some rocks, the confrontation with the law that brought the rush hour commute to a screeching halt. >> initially i thought the cough was bronchitis. >> cleaner isn't always better. how it's making some people sick. >>> good evening. i'm dana king. >> and i'm ken bastida. jobs, taxes, health care. and big bird? yes, the first presidential debate is in the books. the consensus was that mitt romney desperately needed a strong showing. and as grace lee shows us, he pretty much delivered. >> reporter: the polls show that the former governor knocked it out of the park. 500 uncommitted voters asked who won this debate. 46% said it was romney. only 20% said the president was the victor for the night. the man who has been fighting to show that he relates to the average american this whole election cycle, 56% of those polled say they had a better opinion of the former governor now. what started out as cordial quickly became heated. >> governor romney's proposal that he's been promoting for 18 months calls for a $5 million tax cut. and he is saying that he is
. >>> a guy on the tracks, armed with some rocks, the confrontation with the law that brought the rush hour commute to a screeching halt. >> initially i thought the cough was bronchitis. >> cleaner isn't always better. how it's making some people sick. >>> good evening. i'm dana king. >> and i'm ken bastida. jobs, taxes, health care. and big bird? yes, the first presidential debate is in the books. the consensus was that mitt romney desperately needed a...
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but the guy on stage last night, he said that he doesn't even know that there are such laws that encourage outsourcing. never heard of them. never heard of them. never heard of tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. he said, if it's true, he must need a new accountant. now we know for sure it was not the real mitt romney because he seem to be doing just fine with his current accountant. so you see, the man on stage last night he does not want to be held accountable for the real mitt romney's decisions and what he's been saying for the last year. and that's because he knows full well that we don't want what he's been selling for the last year. so governor romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be president, you owe the american people the truth. so here's the truth. governor romney cannot pay for his $5 trillion tax plan without blowing up the deficit or sticking to the middle class. that's the math. we can't afford to go down that road again. we can't afford another round of budget-busting tax cuts for the wealthy. we can't afford to gut our investments in edu
but the guy on stage last night, he said that he doesn't even know that there are such laws that encourage outsourcing. never heard of them. never heard of them. never heard of tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. he said, if it's true, he must need a new accountant. now we know for sure it was not the real mitt romney because he seem to be doing just fine with his current accountant. so you see, the man on stage last night he does not want to be held accountable for the real mitt...
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that is explicitly prohibited in the law. let's go back to what governor romney indicated.. under his plan, he would be able to cover people with pre-%+ existing conditions. actually, governor, that is not what your plan does. what it does is to duplicate what is already the law, which says, if you are out of health insurance for three months, you pan end up getting continuous coverage and an insurance company cannot deny you if it but that is already the law. that does not help the millions of people out there with pre- existing conditions. there is a reason why governor romney set up a plan he did in massachusetts. it was not a government takeover of health carr. it was the largest expansion of private insurance. what it does say is insurers, you havv to take everybody. that also means yyu have more customers. but when governor romney says he will replace it with some thing, but can not detail how it will be replaced, and the reason he said the system in massachusetts is because there is not a better way of dealing with the pre-existing conditions problem. he says he will
that is explicitly prohibited in the law. let's go back to what governor romney indicated.. under his plan, he would be able to cover people with pre-%+ existing conditions. actually, governor, that is not what your plan does. what it does is to duplicate what is already the law, which says, if you are out of health insurance for three months, you pan end up getting continuous coverage and an insurance company cannot deny you if it but that is already the law. that does not help the millions of...
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but that is already the law. that does not help the millions of people out there with pre- existing conditions. there is a reason why governor romney set up a plan he did in massachusetts. it was not a government takeover of health carr. it was the largest expansion of private insurance. what it does say is insurers, you havv to take everybody. that also means yyu have more customers. but when governor romney says he will replace it with some thing, but can not detail h it will be replaced, and the reason he said the system in massachusetts is because there is not a better way of dealing with the pre-existing conditions problem. he says he will close reductions and loopholes for his tax plan. that is how is going to be paid for. but we do not know the details. he says we will replace dodd- frank, wall street reform. but we do not know exactly which ones. he will not tell us. he now says e will replace obamacare and insures that all the good things are and it -- could things that are in it will be in their. people
but that is already the law. that does not help the millions of people out there with pre- existing conditions. there is a reason why governor romney set up a plan he did in massachusetts. it was not a government takeover of health carr. it was the largest expansion of private insurance. what it does say is insurers, you havv to take everybody. that also means yyu have more customers. but when governor romney says he will replace it with some thing, but can not detail h it will be replaced, and...
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but that's already the law. and that doesn't help the millions of people out there with preexisting conditions. there is a reason why governor romney set up the plan that he did in massachusetts. it wasn't a government takeover of health care, it was the largest expansion of private insurance, but what it does say is that insurers, you have to take everybody. that also means you have more customers. but when governor romney says he'll replace it with something, but can't detail how it will be, in fact, replaced, and the reason he set up the system he did in massachusetts because there isn't a better way of dealing with the preexisting conditions problem, it reminds me, he says he will close deductions and loopholes for his tax plan. that's how it will be paid for, we don't know the details. he says that he's going to replace dodd-frank, wall street reform, but we don't know exactly which ones, he won't tell us. he now says he'll replace obama care and ensure all the good things in it will be in there and you don
but that's already the law. and that doesn't help the millions of people out there with preexisting conditions. there is a reason why governor romney set up the plan that he did in massachusetts. it wasn't a government takeover of health care, it was the largest expansion of private insurance, but what it does say is that insurers, you have to take everybody. that also means you have more customers. but when governor romney says he'll replace it with something, but can't detail how it will be,...
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but that's already the law. that doesn't help the millions of people out there with pre-existing conscience. there is a reason why governor romney set up the plan that he did in massachusetts. it wasn't a government takeover of health care. it was the largest expansion of private insurance. but what it does say is that insurers, have you to take everybody. now, that also means have you more customers. but when governor romney says he will replace it with something, but can't detail how it will be in fact replaced and the reason he set up the system he did in massachusetts was because there isn't a better way of dealing with pre-existing conditions problem. it reminds me, he says he is going to close deductions and loopholes for his tax plan. that's how it is going to be paid for. but we don't know the details. he says he is going to replace dodd frank, wall street reform. but her we don't know which ones. he won't tell us. he now says he will replace obamacare and all the good things will be in there. you don't
but that's already the law. that doesn't help the millions of people out there with pre-existing conscience. there is a reason why governor romney set up the plan that he did in massachusetts. it wasn't a government takeover of health care. it was the largest expansion of private insurance. but what it does say is that insurers, have you to take everybody. now, that also means have you more customers. but when governor romney says he will replace it with something, but can't detail how it will...
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these are rogue law enforcement people serving no good, just becoming spies. >>shepard: did they forget their directive and get all caught up in the power of being able to look down on people and see what they are doing? >>guest: the directive was to enable state and local and federal intelligence and law enforcement to exchange information so the right hand wrote know what the left hand was doing. the information they chose to exchange had next to nothing to do with national security. this was not a single meaningful allegation or indictment or prosecution for national security that came out of this. in fact, because these were federal centers, they were frequently manned biological law enforcement from a different locality. and the guys got bored and decided to go out on the road and enforce local laws. suddenly they found out they were not authorized to do so in those states. that frustrate ised local law enforcement because they were bored in the fusion centers. >>shepard: this is the same department of homeland security that told us to shrink wrap our hom
these are rogue law enforcement people serving no good, just becoming spies. >>shepard: did they forget their directive and get all caught up in the power of being able to look down on people and see what they are doing? >>guest: the directive was to enable state and local and federal intelligence and law enforcement to exchange information so the right hand wrote know what the left hand was doing. the information they chose to exchange had next to nothing to do with national...
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that's prohibited in the law. but let's go back to what governor romney indicated; that under his plan he would be able to cover people with preexisting conditions. governor what your plan does is to duplicate what is already the law, which says that, you know, if you are out of health insurance for three months then you can end up getting continuous coverage and an insurance company can't deny you if it has been under 90 days. but that's already the law, and that doesn't help the millions of people out there with preexisting conditions. there's a reason why governor romney set up the plan that he did in massachusetts. it was the largest expansion of private insurance, but what it does say is is insurers you have got to take everybody. that also means you have more customers, but when governor romney says he replace it with something, but can't detail how it will in fact be replaced -- and the reason he set up the system he did in massachusetts is because there isn't a better way of dealing with the preexisting co
that's prohibited in the law. but let's go back to what governor romney indicated; that under his plan he would be able to cover people with preexisting conditions. governor what your plan does is to duplicate what is already the law, which says that, you know, if you are out of health insurance for three months then you can end up getting continuous coverage and an insurance company can't deny you if it has been under 90 days. but that's already the law, and that doesn't help the millions of...
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went to piedmont high school and on to uc berkeley for college and uc hastings in san francisco for law school. the public is also invited to the service. but the city hall rotunda only holds about 700 people. stevens was 52 years old. >>> the san francisco bay is once again filled with the best sailors in the world as the america's cup series is back. that's where we find nbc bay area's laurence scott who is once again an honorary skipper. >> we are on the bay with team korea, victorious today in the america's cup series match racing qualifiers. the youngest skipper by far in the world series competitions here on the bay this weekend. tell me something. what a thrill, not just competing in your first race, but winning your first race. how did it go? >> it's pretty awesome. we managed to get a good start. and we kind of trying to throw it away a little. we managed to hold it together. and all the guys worked really hard and we came away with the win. >> i want to tell you guys something. not only is he a two-time olympian, but he is 21 years old right now. he competed at the games in lo
went to piedmont high school and on to uc berkeley for college and uc hastings in san francisco for law school. the public is also invited to the service. but the city hall rotunda only holds about 700 people. stevens was 52 years old. >>> the san francisco bay is once again filled with the best sailors in the world as the america's cup series is back. that's where we find nbc bay area's laurence scott who is once again an honorary skipper. >> we are on the bay with team korea,...
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>> that is such an inappropriate use of the law and hiding behind it. that's cowering in a little shadow and being laughed at because you don't sit there and combat terrorism. why don't you come to new york city, we'll get you some big apple souvenirs and it will be fantastic and he delivers him like a little baby to eric holder who doesn't know what to do with any terrorist except to -- >> okay, okay, get off the stump. >> you asked me. >> no, that's not the way you deal with it. >> due process is one of our jewels. it really does say no matter how terrible you are, we're not going to treat you like an -- we don't go -- >> it should be applied appropriately to american citizens accused of crimes here, felonies that deserve the right to a speedy trial and deserve to be tried here. not for terrorists. >> if you commit a crime in new york city, you go to an american court. >> terrorists you can be arguing they're not citizens of any country. therefore, they do not deserve due process of any way, shape, or form. foreign due process or american citizen due
>> that is such an inappropriate use of the law and hiding behind it. that's cowering in a little shadow and being laughed at because you don't sit there and combat terrorism. why don't you come to new york city, we'll get you some big apple souvenirs and it will be fantastic and he delivers him like a little baby to eric holder who doesn't know what to do with any terrorist except to -- >> okay, okay, get off the stump. >> you asked me. >> no, that's not the way you...
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but we need the right technology and the right laws. >> rose: the book is called broken ballots, will your vote count? written by douglas jones and barbara simons, thank you. >> thank you. >> rose: pleasure to have you here. >> it was really nice. >> rose: thank you for joining us. see you next time. >> rose: funding for charlie ro has been prided b the coca-cola company, supporting this program since 2002. and american express. additional funding provided by these funders. and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. be more,
but we need the right technology and the right laws. >> rose: the book is called broken ballots, will your vote count? written by douglas jones and barbara simons, thank you. >> thank you. >> rose: pleasure to have you here. >> it was really nice. >> rose: thank you for joining us. see you next time. >> rose: funding for charlie ro has been prided b the coca-cola company, supporting this program since 2002. and american express. additional funding provided by...
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but we need the right technology and the right laws. >> rose: the book is called broken ballots, will your vote count? written by douglas jones and barbara simons, thank you. >> thank you. >> rose: pleasure to have you here. >> it was really nice. >> rose: thank you for joining us. see you next time.
but we need the right technology and the right laws. >> rose: the book is called broken ballots, will your vote count? written by douglas jones and barbara simons, thank you. >> thank you. >> rose: pleasure to have you here. >> it was really nice. >> rose: thank you for joining us. see you next time.
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we had the huggate incident, where the president shockingly hugged a professor at his law school at the time that he was there. we had him saying the apparently horrific dirty word, redistribution and we also have now, interestingly, 1 million copies of this anti-obama conspiracy theory documentary, "dreams from obama's real father" that have been sent out around ohio. and i think, frankly, that there is a significant chunk of the right-wing that is living in an alternate universe in which if the truth about the president really got out and if the mainstream media would just focus on the questions around his place of birth and his secret ideology, there's no way he could be reelected president. you know, i think this actual alternate universe has been challenge for the romney campaign to navigate and impacted their ability to message effectively and focus on snag is going to be appealing to the base but makes sense to a broader elector rat. i would point to their "you didn't build that" narrative. they grabbed part of the president's comments, used it in stumps speeches, used it in ads,
we had the huggate incident, where the president shockingly hugged a professor at his law school at the time that he was there. we had him saying the apparently horrific dirty word, redistribution and we also have now, interestingly, 1 million copies of this anti-obama conspiracy theory documentary, "dreams from obama's real father" that have been sent out around ohio. and i think, frankly, that there is a significant chunk of the right-wing that is living in an alternate universe in...
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what were very likely i mean and i will say this in the in the democrats' column a lot of checklist law over mitt romney and then mitt romney however you know pulling back into a moderate stance than pushing forward you know dumping the tea party and then jumping in i mean it was it was a joke it was almost like a choreographed circus with obama as the straight man vaudeville and so i couldn't you know i didn't understand what was going on and again you were right you don't hear about any of the civil liberties things. anything about women's issues civil rights anything along those lines just cursory talking about the environment. and anything with digital privacy you know anything along those lines about what the internet can and cannot do and who can regulate it that wasn't important and you didn't even you know of course you didn't have joel stein or gary johnson there so none of that could tug in that direction yeah absolutely it really did seem like these two sitting up there going taxes deficit wise taxes deficit. exchange exchange exchange but let's talk about the third party can
what were very likely i mean and i will say this in the in the democrats' column a lot of checklist law over mitt romney and then mitt romney however you know pulling back into a moderate stance than pushing forward you know dumping the tea party and then jumping in i mean it was it was a joke it was almost like a choreographed circus with obama as the straight man vaudeville and so i couldn't you know i didn't understand what was going on and again you were right you don't hear about any of...
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of course presidents don't have the power to change the law by themselves, excuse me. but now he said and a few days earlier, i'll keep pre-existing conditions, i'll keep the kids. >> they took it back right after. >> they had taken it back. chris: he was on a sunday program and done it twice where he said we'll cover the pre-existing condition and wasn't true. >> it's telling about the new romney in this debate was that he was clearly trying to overcome the 47% problem which sam talked about by talking about empathy, i care, people are suffering and giving examples of people, the teacher in las vegas. he made it personal and did what democratic candidates normally do. chris: the right who asked him to make all these commitments throughout the campaign to ensure he's a conservative, they know the commitments and are they interested in him doing well instead of keeping the commitments. >> you'll have a contingent on the far right that are purists and don't want to hear any strain from that ideology and even if it means he loses, they're willing to go down with the ship.
of course presidents don't have the power to change the law by themselves, excuse me. but now he said and a few days earlier, i'll keep pre-existing conditions, i'll keep the kids. >> they took it back right after. >> they had taken it back. chris: he was on a sunday program and done it twice where he said we'll cover the pre-existing condition and wasn't true. >> it's telling about the new romney in this debate was that he was clearly trying to overcome the 47% problem which...
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he was the one who signed into law. as a backdrop, we as a nation are dealing with ever-increasing health care costs. as the health care costs go up, we are also dealing with a large number of people who don't have insurance. the massachusetts health reform law was designed to tackle both, but it got to the insurance part first. so it was a bipartisan group effort. romney signed into law. host: >> it hits on the issue of insurance, what was it intended to do? guest: romneycare is basically a teetwo-part process. the first artist to get people insurance coverage. the second part, which is happening now in massachusetts, is to lower health-care costs. what romneycare did was to say we have all these people who are getting hurt or are ill and not treating their illness because they don't have health insurance. hospitals are required to care for them. . ultimately, we as taxpayers pay back money. romneycare upended the process and said we will take steps so that everyone elsdid tell the insurance. people may be a diabetic w
he was the one who signed into law. as a backdrop, we as a nation are dealing with ever-increasing health care costs. as the health care costs go up, we are also dealing with a large number of people who don't have insurance. the massachusetts health reform law was designed to tackle both, but it got to the insurance part first. so it was a bipartisan group effort. romney signed into law. host: >> it hits on the issue of insurance, what was it intended to do? guest: romneycare is...
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there is definite response to international law. turkey is a nato member. certain nato treaty articles bring about certain responsibilities when one of its members is attacked. we're not blinded by rage, but we will protect our rights. >> wednesday's violence marked the day this cross border flare- up between the two countries since the uprising in syria began nearly two years ago. there have been unconfirmed reports syrian troops were killed overnight. the syrian information minister said his government is investigating the attack and offered condolences to the turkish victims. >> the authorities are investigating what led to the death of the mother and her children near the syrian-turkish borders. we console the families of the mortar. >> the border violence between turkey and syria becamcame hours after dozens of people were killed in a series of bombings in aleppo. scores of iranians rallied in tehran wednesday to protest the collapse of the country's currency. it has had an all-time low amidst a worsening financial crisis brought upon by western sancti
there is definite response to international law. turkey is a nato member. certain nato treaty articles bring about certain responsibilities when one of its members is attacked. we're not blinded by rage, but we will protect our rights. >> wednesday's violence marked the day this cross border flare- up between the two countries since the uprising in syria began nearly two years ago. there have been unconfirmed reports syrian troops were killed overnight. the syrian information minister...
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laws and last night's episode had a nod to the 2012 race. here goes. you have heard of mcbain, the simpson's version of an action star. we'll take a look at the sign that popped up during the show's opening credits last night. mcbain capital, consider this a hostile takeover. that's obviously a knock at mitt romney's old stomping grounds,. bain capital. it was "the new york times" reporter dave isikoff who caught that one. >>> next, when things get damp. a florida reporter went to the home of congressional candidate justin lamar sternad to track down some answers. was the failed democratic candidate only in the race to take votes away from another democratic candidate? and was republican incumbent david rivera behind him in this? here is what happened when the reporter, michael putney, showed up at sternad's front door. >> sorry to bother you. i'm michael putney with channel 4 -- >> drenched. the person behind the splash was apparently the former candidate's wife. the situation of his candidacy is currently under investigation by the fbi. >>> finally,
laws and last night's episode had a nod to the 2012 race. here goes. you have heard of mcbain, the simpson's version of an action star. we'll take a look at the sign that popped up during the show's opening credits last night. mcbain capital, consider this a hostile takeover. that's obviously a knock at mitt romney's old stomping grounds,. bain capital. it was "the new york times" reporter dave isikoff who caught that one. >>> next, when things get damp. a florida reporter...
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i've paid my fair share under the law. the law says that, you know, i can take these deductions. i didn't take all the deductions that i was entitled to because of -- >> how come your party voted down to the last woman and man against the buffett rule? against requiring, in principle, that ceos pay the same tax rate as their secretaries? >> because that's just politics. that's not getting to the nub of reforming the tax code. >> it isn't? >> that's just getting out there and doing the typical -- >> why does it seem like the right thing to do? >> well, it seems like the right thing to do for you, chris, but what is the fair share? what is the fair number that a warren buffett or a mitt romney or myself should pay? that's going to be at one end of the debate? but how do we get others in our economy who want to be taxpayers, who want to be taxpayers, those who lost their jobs under this administration, want to be back under the administration and pay their fair share, so let's get them the jobs to do that. >> i'm not sure that was a clear response. >> it was clear. it worked for me.
i've paid my fair share under the law. the law says that, you know, i can take these deductions. i didn't take all the deductions that i was entitled to because of -- >> how come your party voted down to the last woman and man against the buffett rule? against requiring, in principle, that ceos pay the same tax rate as their secretaries? >> because that's just politics. that's not getting to the nub of reforming the tax code. >> it isn't? >> that's just getting out there...
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the florida department of law enforcement is going to look into it because this is voter fraud. this is voter registration fraud, and it actually also shows that we already have laws in place to prevent voter fraud and, in fact, the states going to go after them and that's good. >> give me a damage report on what would happen if these people got away with what they're doing. >> what would happen is really, you know, we know at the end of the day they would not be able to vote actually because, again, we have laws in place that would not permit them to vote. >> but they're showing up on registration lists and where they end up going. >> what would happen is actually this is a fact that, you know, technology allows for them to be knocked out, and that kind of fraud is not going to happen. but we have a problem with people trying to conjure up people that they want to vote republican, and important is this particular company had allegations before in 2004 about registering people and throwing away democratic registration forms. >> i want to get to you about the role of the rnc. nob
the florida department of law enforcement is going to look into it because this is voter fraud. this is voter registration fraud, and it actually also shows that we already have laws in place to prevent voter fraud and, in fact, the states going to go after them and that's good. >> give me a damage report on what would happen if these people got away with what they're doing. >> what would happen is really, you know, we know at the end of the day they would not be able to vote...